We need to talk...
About fascism and how we will ground ourselves for effective resistance
Last month, I was interviewed by my colleague Corinne Worsley for her podcast For Our Liberation.
Corinne is new to activism and just beginning to connect the dots between personal and collective liberation.
She asked incisive questins about how I came to start Conversations Against Fascism, what is fascism, how we know where to start, what stops us, and how we get to ground ourselves for effective action.
Here are highlights from our conversation, along with time stamps.
10:14: “I had this strange reaction.” My crisis of paralysis during the first Trump administration
12:01: “What talking together can do and move.” How I founded Conversations Against Fascism, starting with my 50th Birthday Party Against Fascism.
16:35: “Right underneath our nose.” Corinne explores how she might leverage her experience in the corporate world for the social good, and more generally how we can all leverage what we already have.
23:07: “We don’t have infinite time.” Why I saw this coming much sooner than most people, and how I feel about it now that they’re catching up.
34:25 "We’re starting from a baseline of urgency and emergency." Why the majority of people do nothing even when they see fascism coming and how late-stage capitalism sets the stage.
44:56: "You have to get that you live in a world where this actually happens.” How Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’s Stages of Grief explain why we often don't take action or take ineffective action.
50:17: “It’s so much less effort!” What I learned in grad school about effectiveness and creative tactics.
53:42: “It’s true, sometimes we don’t want to.” Why changing hearts and minds starts with listening -- and why we resist it.
1:05:51: I share about the Grounded Resistance Training Camp.
1:09:33: I share about the Grounded Resistance Facilitator Training.
Listen here:
Apple: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/for-our-liberation/id1212555780?i=1000717234992